You can run, but….

Tax office

By living 4000 miles (6400 kilometers) from Washington, DC we can escape some of the news that revolves around the White House but once people here learn that we’re from the US they definitely want to talk politics. That’s been the case over the last 25 years that we’ve been visiting France no matter who the president was/is. So while we may be a long way from the Oval Office at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, there’s an address right next door at 1500 Pennsylvania Avenue that’s as close as your bank account. The Internal Revenue Service knows where we live.

The US is one of the few, maybe only, countries that collects taxes based on citizenship and not on where you live. That means if you move to France, for example, you still pay Uncle Sam your federal income tax just as if you lived in Lebanon, Kansas at the geographic center of the USA. Luckily there is a treaty in place that gives you a credit equal to the income tax you have paid to each country that is supposed to avoid double taxation. We still have to fill out the IRS 1040 and its French equivalent, but since our pensions are in the US and our visa/resident card prevents us from earning anything here, at least we have to write only one check, and it’s in English!

There are actually 3 formulaires (forms), all found on the government website https://www.impots.gouv.fr/portail/ that we have to send in:

Formulaire 2042, the general tax form, much like an IRS 1040

Formulaire 2047, for income earned outside of France

Formulaire 3916, for all bank accounts located outside of France

It’s really not all that different from what we had to also file with the US except we used an online software preparation package for that. Those exist here in French, starting around 60 euros/dollars, but we chose to go the manual route with a dictionary and using some of the links you’ll find at the bottom of this page. There is an online English-language version of the French news and we downloaded their “2017 French Tax Forms” booklet that includes some line-by-line assistance. Despite the subtitle that clearly states “especially written for Britons moving to and living in France” we found the instructions helpful since the bulk of our income is from government pensions that are covered by the double taxation treaty.

One of the suggestions we followed from this booklet was to include a statement, in French of course, reminding the tax authorities of this treaty and and why we are part of it. Along with that statement we also attached a copy of our house deed, copies of our residency cards, our bank account details, and the coverage letter from our health insurance company. That last item is especially important since everyone living in France is either covered by universal health care, paid for by taxes, or privately-paid insurance that must be verified. We anticipate joining the nation’s health care system next year.

The first year that you fill out the income tax forms here, it must be done on paper. Once completed, you can mail them to the local tax authority or, as we did, just drop them off at the large mailbox on the fence outside the Centre Des Finances Publiques. Then the wait begins. It could be as late as November before we find out if we owe anything and even then we would have the option of paying a lump sum, or spreading it out quarterly or monthly. At that point we will be provided with a tax ID number that we can use in the future to fill out the forms online, avoiding the need to use any paper at all.

Although, like Toto and Dorothy, we may no longer be in (Lebanon) Kansas, we still pay our US federal income taxes as if we were. With luck, that’s all we’ll need to pay.

Some of the links we consulted:

http://www.efl.fr/chiffres-taux/fiscal/impot_benef/cours.html the official exchange rate for dollars/euros

https://internationalliving.com/countries/france/tax/

http://www.expatica.com/fr/finance/A-guide-to-taxes-in-France_101156.html

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About Bob

While living in North, Central and South America, in the middle of the Caribbean and the Pacific Ocean, and now in Europe, my passion has remained the same: travel and meeting new friends.

Posted on May 21, 2017, in Dealing with government, Life in France and tagged , , . Bookmark the permalink. 7 Comments.

  1. So I figure by the time we are there permanently you will have all of this figured out – hahahaha:):):)

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  2. I can’t really “like” this post as it is a bit of a bugbear for we expat Americans of longstanding. Glad you’ve sorted yours out!

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  3. I am so grateful for your blog as my husband and I start planning for our own move in 2019. Very interested to learn about what Healthcare plan you use which fulfills the French requirement to have insurance as a long-term resident. Could you share a bit about that? We are trying to figure out what our true costs will be. Thanks!

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    • Thanks for your nice comments! The health insurance we used to obtain our visa and then renewed for a second year was from World Nomads at a cost of 1050 USD per year per person. We know of 2 other couples who did the same. Another company that I’ve seen mentioned on an expat forum is Allianz Global Assistance.

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    • Yes, as a safety net at least until we both qualify for Medicare.

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  4. Hi Bob..just a heads up for your 70+ readers coming to France (I count among them) for a long term stay, World Nomads has a 69 year age limit. It appears as if Allianz does not but I have a question out to them about their annual policy. Fingers crossed, I’ll be there in Sep.!

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